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I have just "upgraded" one of my laptops to windows 11. It seems fine at the moment.
The laptop has a non upgradable 64gig SSD. Should I delete the Window.old folder. Or do you think I'll be wanting to go back to the safety of Windows 10?
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Wish you Luck
Leeanna, maybe you better google Windows 11 problems and do some research before you get too excited. This is one of many sites writing about Win 11 https://www.techadvisor.com/news/windows/windows-11-update-i...
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Oklahoma born and raised cowgirl
Not until
I won't even entertain the idea of upgrading until I can own Win 11 as oppose to subscribing, I don't want to rent any software, much less my OS.
I refuse to up grade to Office 360 because of that, I have Office 2010 and it does everything I need it to. I say, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
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Windows 11
It's really a matter of personal preference. I've got 2 desktops, 1 runs 10 the other runs 11. I use 11 a lot more than 10, I like the way the taskbar is set up and everything runs just as well as it does on 10. It takes a bit of getting use too, but so did any upgrade since 3.1.
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Glenda
Realistically, it's a bit of
Realistically, it's a bit of a pain in the arse.
Here are the major differences between 10 and 11. 10, you could easily add the Classic Shell (from GitHub) and get full start menu functionality. With 11, you'll have to move the 'task bar' to left justify, and then put in the square custom icon. That'll leave you with a round space for your normal start menu, and the corners will open the Windows 11 "menu". Which is about as useful as teats on a bull.
The right hand corner 'options' menu is gone. You _have_ to use the main "menu" to get to settings, and so forth. They've stripped out even more options, unless you know how to modify the registry or group policy - but most of those options are power user+ level, so not really important for the average bear.
You can't tell it to show everything on the right hand 'programs I have open in the background' menu. You can specify certain things, and EVERYTHING else is in a hidden 'pop up' section. (where the windows defender, USB actions, etc live)
Compatibility with web browsers? No point in being concerned. Microsoft has already stated they're going to completely eliminate IE 11 from Win10, so that it's missing in 11 won't matter. That's something that's going to be a royal pain for one of my customers, as one of THEIR vendors is still using an activex console system that only works in IE - and of course, I and my customer will be blamed for their incompatibility, somehow. If you only use Edge, Firefox, Chrome, or similar add-on, you won't notice the difference.
So, from a bare user functionality, if you can live with their idiot pop up fake Mac 'dock' system, it won't run any worse than windows 10 did. I can't say it seems to be any faster than 10, but it doesn't appear slower.
Hope that helps.
BW
I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.
Worth it? In a word No
Well, that's my slightly biased opinion of it.
I took one look at W10 and said 'F that for a game of soldiers.' Then Server 2016 F'd up clustering for no good reason (later fixed) so I called it a day with Windows and retired. 20+ years of developing software for it was over (some Unix and Linux dev as well).
The direction MS is taking is IMHO very clear.
If you are old enough, you can remember IBM 3270 terminals. All the processing was done on the mainframe apart from a small amount in the terminal. Guess what folks... MS wants to go back to those days where everything you do is in their Cloud and your expensive PC is little more than a dumb terminal. Oh, and you will be expected to pay monthly for the honour of letting MS dictate entirely how your computing environment works. No more registry hacks to sidestep around what they deem to be the way you should be working.
Of course, corporates will get a few years respite from this but honestly, the writing is on the wall.
Stop paying your monthly tithe and your data is gone... vanished into the ether.
Of course, I might be wrong but the wails of agony from my friends after every update destroys their carefully tailored and crafted workspace tells a storycloud and clear in my mind.
I left MS for my home computing in 2008 when I bought a MacBook. I swore a lot at first but I'll never go back.
I'm not all in with Apple as I run my own blog on Linux.
Samantha
I worry about what sort of
I worry about what sort of machines we will be able to buy in this future;
if most people just use a terminal, there wont be the demand for proper laptops and desktops to keep prices low and performance rising.
I've heard stories of people unable to log in to their chrome-books when they go out into the wifi-free wilds.
I definitely want a machine that lets me do real computing when the broad-band is down.
I found a program called
I found a program called https://github.com/builtbybel/ThisIsWin11
Which lets you customize Windows 11 all in one place. It is slowly expanded as a practical all-rounder for Windows 11 replacing some discontinued PowerToys components and adding additional ones.
I run the tweaks and it put the start menu to the left. I moved it back ,as I have used Linux before with it in the centre. What I find odd is when I deleted stuff to make room I had 14 gig of space. Now after installation If I delete Windows.old I will have 18 gig? Surely it can't take up less room?
Leeanna
Has to do with
Has to do with SoftwareDistribution and some of the related folders. As Win11 is 'newer', there's fewer essential 'have to be kept forever' service pack storage.
It may be slightly smaller, but that's my experience on dealing with the space.
I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.
Depends how much info you want to keep secret
Running windows ten, out of the box, or 11 allows Microsoft and your local government access to all your files.
Much can be disabled and there is always tweaks and what not to every version of windows.
64gig is the minimum needed
64gig is the minimum needed to run W11 (according to the "is my computer ready for W11" advisor).
If Window.old fits on a dvd or a spare memory stick I might make a copy in case I want the space before I make up my mind.
oops - I'm still running
a computer on Windows 7.
Angharad
I'm partial
To XP myself. I also preferred Gmail, until they made it not work without Google Play Services, which conviently will not run on any older android versions.
“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn’t become a king. The palace becomes a circus.” - Turkish Proverb
I run Linux. If you're dead
I run Linux. If you're dead-set against moving 'up' in Windows versions, I'd suggest trying out two or three of the various Live linux distributions (several Ubuntu flavours, Mint, Zorin, and Glod knows how many others there are out there). The older Windows programs that ran on XP and previous generally run fine on WINE. (WINdows Emulator)
I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.
I have one still on 7 , it
I have one still on 7 , it works fine. I like 7. Keep getting told its a security risk. I only use if for videos music etc. No banking or email and it's not on a network.
Leeanna
I'm still using ...
... an old copy of Office 97 Professional. It has zero drawbacks. I mostly use Word and it does everything I need. In fact in most s/w (operating systems or applications) over 90 % of the features are rarely, if ever, used by the average user.
I date from the days of CPM and using early microprocessors without an operating system at all - all the s/w it ran I'd handcrafted in assembler (or even machine code) so I'm a bit anal at knowing where my data are hence I never use 'the cloud' for storage.
I suppose octogenarians get a bit grumpy :)
R
I was using Office 97 for
I was using Office 97 for ages. Then Office 2007. Open office is good too. I have an old XP laptop for old games.
I hated Windows 7 , then got to like it. I hated Winodw 10 , then use it at work and got used to it.
Have noticed it uses nearly all 4gig of ram on my Laptop/tablet.
Leeanna
RAM usage
Don't worry about RAM usage – unused RAM is wasted RAM.
All modern systems use "free" RAM for buffers and caching, so there is almost no free RAM reported. But those buffers etc. are automatically freed and reused for applications when an application requests more memory.
"Nothing to see, move right along, please." ;-)
10 was bad, 11 could be worse
Stumbled across these:
https://youtu.be/LcafzHL8iBQ
https://youtu.be/vvaWrmS3Vg4
The first video is a rant just before 11 was released, the second is new and has corrections to the original video. Lots of good points made.
I have a number of laptops. 1 has 10, another still has XP (my favorite version) and the rest have 7 which I consider to be the last of the usable versions. My desk top which I very seldom use (got it in 1999) still has win98. I keep it because I have a couple of programs that I still use every now and then on it and they won't work with the newer versions of windows and the companies no longer exist.
I have been using windows 11
I have been using windows 11 for my desktop and gaming system for awhile. I found it annoying at first but now I wouldn't switch back to 10. Mainly for the phone connectivity.
However I'm wondering how you function with only 64gb hard drive. Do updates even work?
Not worth it for me
Win11 requires a Microsoft account for all but the Enterprise versions so that is a non-starter. I grudgingly use Win10 despite the telemetry that I cannot limit. Yes, I use ShutUp 10 to turn off as much as I can but it can only do so much.
At one point there was a 'mistake' where it looks like a Microsoft 'experiment' was shown with ads being placed in Explorer. So you know where Microsoft is headed with this.
My only issue is that when I buy a laptop I have to have some sort of sacrificial email to set it up so I can at least log in and get the license key for the Windows on it before I nuke it and put Linux on it. Why I need the license key? If I need warranty service or I find I do not like the laptop then I would need to restore it for a return.
There are few laptops that have Linux installed from the get-go so this is really annoying going forward.
1) you don't have to boot the
1) you don't have to boot the machine up in windows to put Linux on it. not sure where you got that idea.
2) You can bypass the "You must have a license" as long as you don't log into the internet (yet). There's at least one method to kill the "YOU MUST CREATE THE ACCOUNT" screaming section, and then it continues on. I do this on _all_ of my customer's new Windows 11 systems. (except for the one where the new machine comes in, and the customer "knows how to do it" and grabs the system before I can get there)
I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.
Microsoft account
The current understanding is that Win 11 Home and now Pro versions require a Microsoft account, no questions even if you don't have internet access. I skipped over the Microsoft account for Win 10 by turning off Wi-Fi and 'deferred it'.
During the early Win 11 deployments there were no such requirements, you can even work around installing on 'unsupported' hardware but now it is a lot harder. If there is a way to avoid needing a Microsoft account on Win 11 Home, I am all ears.
The problem here is that if you don't like the laptop then mucking around with it by putting on Linux on it as it would be a lot harder to restore it back to a returnable condition. And if you do, do it then you will probably need the license key to do so or you back up the full image of the drive. And no, running Linux off USB or god forbid a optical drive does not give me a good feel for the laptop with Linux on it. In any case, it is a pain in the butt.
Here is a link:
https://www.windowslatest.com/2022/05/09/windows-11-22h2-for...
It looks like the hard requirement will occur with the next major update of Win 11.
You don't need a license key
You don't need a license key anymore to reinstall windows. They forced the motherboard manufacturers to bake the key into the BIOS.
To bypass the Microsoft account requirement -
Boot the new computer up. When it demands a network connection, use SHIFT-F10, which will open a command prompt. Type in "taskmgr", and enter. Kill the Network Flow process.
You can also use the following command, which will kill the flow process without having to open the task manager.
Now, on Home, you can also boot to the installation screen (internet), do the SHIFT-F10, and try this.
Then reboot.
That should bring you up to an old 10 style screen, where you can say 'I don't have internet'.
All of this REQUIRES that you do NOT connect your computer to a network. No ethernet cable, no wireless hookup. If you do that, it gets nasty. The fastest "fix" in that case is to reboot the machine while you've turned off your router/wifi. Then it should let you do the connection bypass again.
BW
I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.
Deleting windows.OLD
Before deleting make sure there's not any files/pics hanging around in unusual places. Sometimes these get stuck in C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming when dropbox cloud sync stops working or something. After cleansing the windows.OLD file, then yes, it can help restore a lot of hard drive space.
Win 10 Home
Microsoft usually approaches me when they think I should upgrade. I think I just had an email for July ??? As long as it runs Word and browses OK, I don't care. I have a couple Malware machines.