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Yes, just wait a few months and then the vote box reverts to "vote" again. But the thought is what counts! ^_~
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Lovely mystical story
Like water, I changed the wording of the challenge to fit this story, too. It would be a shame if it were left out of the listings.
Very vibrant words and images, a real pleasure to read, and you can put that on the book jacket. :)
Hugs,
Erin
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
Mz Langtree, where do you get these ideas from?
No wonder Judge Roy Bean was so smitten by ... Sorry, wrong Langtree.
I wonder, did Uncle expect this miracle might happen?
He approved of the young man/woman and his dual nature. He knew his niece Hee-Shin and Cho-Ri were closest of friends but as Hee was a lesbian and Cho a bisexual male who wished to be a woman, they could only be friends.
But if Cho were a real, Korean woman and not a gender confused Caucasian, then Hee and Cho could become lovers as they already are so close as friends. Best of all possible outcomes, the long time friends can now grow into lovers and his niece gets a lover Uncle approves of. Plus Cho becomes a complete, real woman, win win win.
To be the living proof of a goddesses power is a great gift, one hopes the responsibilities are ones she can bear but then she is water, the most persistent and powerful of forces.
Love your humor, I quote,
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Okay, I'm having sexual fantasies about seducing a celibate monk. We all do at one time or another, right? Feel free to agree with me, go ahead. Sigh. Okay, I really need to seek mental help.
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Very naughty but funny.
As I should have said earlier, WOW!
John in Wauwatosa
John in Wauwatosa
Source of ideas, a timline.
This idea...
(Begin clip from my blog)
With Jason’s desire to become a Vietnamese girl in “The Center†I thought about how there aren’t really a whole lot of “other†races in TG fic. Most ‘cultural change’ wind up being black or mexican.
I think I’m going to go with Korean.
(End clip from my blog)
Then here is the train of thought in linear fashion.
Korean girl -> Magic (probably) CD(Maybe) -> If magic then need magic Korean thingie to transform boy into girl -> Research -> Wikipedia -> Asian Mythology -> Korean Deities -> Oh! One girl Goddess Chang-Ngo -> Maybe Tattoo, haven't done magical tattoo story before -> Yantra Tattoos (If it's good enough for Angelina...) -> Need design... no dragons (overused) Maybe Yin-Yang -> Yin-Yang = Taoism -> What's this? Erin has a gift Challenge -> Need more characters -> Run to Korean Name conversion generator -> Enter Langtree Lil th (just for kicks) -> Results Lee hyo ri (Holy Crap! that's the chick who's picture I chose for the main character!) -> Contemplates the oneness that is the Tao (whatever) -> Conceive of the rest of he plot all at once. -> Write story in eight hours. (my fingers hurt!) The end.
See what you missed out on by not reading my blog religiously?
And hey! That's my plot for the next story in this soon to be TV show. The Cho/Hee thing, I mean. (bobs head... ALllll Riiiight.)Going for some erotica as well. It's been way too long since my last steamy story.
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When you first described
When you first described this on your blog, I have to admit, I wasn't all that enthused by it. Now, having read the story, I've very glad I didn't say anything that might have discouraged it, as it's a much richer and better story than I imagined. Yeah, I should have known better, with your record. :)
Mir
I have this amazing way of
I have this amazing way of understating my plots sometimes. I really like developing my characters and I usually say something that makes them sound two-dimensional and cliche with my ideas and then going overboard when I find new things to add to the actual story. Sometimes it works. So, I'm glad you found this beyond your initial expectations.
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The only other one
The only other transgender Asian that I can think of is Jade at Whately. And she is from Kansas (?) and is actually Sonsei and half white. Irish and Nihongo, quite a combination. For some reason, I find hybrid women to be typically even more beautiful than just white or just black or just any other "race". Truly I no longer believe in the so called races. We are all human, just with differences of skin tone and other characteristics. This is described best (that I know of) in Poul Anderson's novel "There Will Be Time."
Chris in CA
Chris
Thank you Erin. If it ever
Thank you Erin. If it ever goes to book form I'm putting that on the reviews page.
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Of course, we want more...
But even if you don't write more, it stands by itself.
A very moving and spiritual story, without hitting one over the head with the spirituality of it.
Beautiful. I don't know what else to say.
More already planned, but
More already planned, but not until after The Center is finished. So, pretty darn soon!
The Tao aspect of it, I thought was going to be a problem. I'm not Tao, Dao, or Plutonian, I just wanted a different feel to the story, away from my normal style. So, I hadn't planned on overdoing it.
Thank you for your kind comments, Norwalker!
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"Kung Fu"
No!! This is much better!!! I always felt Kung Fu was a little predictable....Having read a lot of your stories Lili i think i can safely say that is not likely to be the case with any further stories about Cho-Ri and Hee, And in answer to your question in the note, Yes i do want more...Lots more!!!
Hugs Kirri
P.S
I know i have'nt commented on The Center yet, That's because i've been saving it so i could have a nice long read... I've been reading your stories long enough now to know i will enjoy it and i do need something to look forward too.
It might be a little
It might be a little predictable in places. There are some cliches I was to run in this story, but hopefully they will be fresh and enjoyable in the future. More will be on the way after The Center!
Well, no need to comment on the Center until you are ready. And it will be finished very soon so you get to read a lot!
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Jolly good stuff Lilith. I'm
Jolly good stuff Lilith.
I'm not awfully keen on magical stories, but you made it plausible and interesting and it's good to be reminded of the loveliness of Taoist thought.
Thanks for the journey.
XX
AD
I hope I did it justice,
I hope I did it justice, 'cause I threw a lot of other stuff in there too, not knowing what the heck I'm doing. I've seen way too many movies, books, etc that they all start to meld together when I write... then I stop half way through and slap my head. That's not Korean! It's Vietnamese, or Chinese, or Hawaiian!
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Moving, poetic and challenging
It demands re-reading.
Thank you.
Susie
Guardian Angels
Especially after Don was nice enough to point out my flubs and fix them for me. (muah!)
Thanks Susan. That was very complimentary. Always nice to see!
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I can't wait...
Lilith I love this story. I will wait for the next installment with baited breath since I can't actually hold my breath for that length of time.
Cough
Nora's got fish breath!!!!
Thank you sweetie.
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Wu Wei
Awesome - this is exactly the story I had in mind after our conversation on the blog - I can't wait to see if Hee and Cho become lovers or sisters - maybe both. I shall have happy dreams tonight :).
The nature of Monkey is - Irrepressible!!!
The nature of Monkey is - Irrepressible!!!
Ladies and Gentlemen the
Ladies and Gentlemen the irrepressible Great Sage. One of the people that helped shape this story in my mind.
You just liked the "honey on the wee fantasy", didn't you.
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Sun Wu Kong, Taoist Shape shifter and Monkey God :)
For what might be fairly obvious reasons I have been interested in Taoism for a while now but only started really reading about it recently, it is a fascinating philosophy.
I am more of a Honey on the nipple kind of Sage. :P
I was reading some of the other comments - Yin/Yang is more than male and female - it is everything and it's opposite - everything which is Yin has a Yang counterpart - so for man it is woman, for light it is dark, day, - night, Heaven - Earth etc , at least that is how I have seen it interpreted. The Tao is found in the Harmony between those things - your comment about Balance seems pretty much on the ball. Wind and Water are pretty important symbols of Taoism apparently - I think that is what Feng Shui means - I know Feng can mean Wind.
If you want to know more about Taoist Yoga and Qi Gong I might be able to help - or at least direct you to someone that can, I am a mere pupil in The Way.
The nature of Monkey is - Irrepressible!!!
The nature of Monkey is - Irrepressible!!!
As Always Lilith
YOU AMAZE me!!!!
Hugs
Frank
Thank you for saying so,
Thank you for saying so, Frank. I always enjoying hearing when people like mah stories!
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I really enjoy reading
I really enjoy reading stories that speak to my own mystical beliefs and training. It gives me a warm fuzzy and that was definitely got from this story. Very well done and I will certainly look forward to more.
Heather
We are the change that will save the world.
Heather
We are the change that will save the world.
Thank you, Heather. I'm glad
Thank you, Heather. I'm glad I didn't mangle them too much. It's always a challenge to enter into the unknown and that is one of the reasons that I chose to write the story the way I did.
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Another great Story.
I really liked the tone and flow of this story. As someone who has no use for religions, I do have a soft spot for mysticism and spirituality. This touched me deeply. I believe that in spite of our science and technology, there are things beyond rationalization. I find Eastern Mystical traditions rich in stories of unexplained and unusual happenings. They have a wholistic rather than reductionist view of life, which appeals to me.
Cho-Ri, through the Uncle's gift, became whole. Granted it had the blessing of the Goddess Chang-Ngo. I'd like to see more of stories about Cho-Ri.
Lilith-Langtree, I'm impressed with the wit and proliferation of your talent. I enjoy reading your stories.
Hugs,
Trish-Ann
~There is no reality, only perception~
Hugs,
Trish Ann
~There is no reality, only perception~
More stories of Cho-Ri will
More stories of Cho-Ri will be coming. We still have to see what happened during the final night of the ritual! Eeeek Gasp! Will that third arm grow out of her neck? Or will she be mega hot Korean babe number 7? Maybe somewhere in between.
Thanks for the kind comments, Trish-Ann
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Wonderful writing
... as usual. Just one comment though - Ko Mar Wa Yo is the Senior->Junior form of thank you. Are you saying that Hee is junior to Cho ?
Kim
Maybe not.
She could be, but this was a simple google search for saying thank you. It showed the formal and familiar ways to say it. I should have known that there would be more.
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Yep
Korea is a highly Confucian society where age relationships matter, just like Chinese, but they carry it even further in their language to the point they have variants of social address based on seniority. In Chinese we only have very specific relationship titles base on age relationship. For example, we do not say merely 'cousin' but we literally say 'cousin older brother' or 'cousin younger sister' etc. I spent 6 weeks on business in Korea and learned a few bits a pieces. I myself am not Korean.
Kim
Great Story! I love the
Great Story! I love the elements you've combined and the extensive research you put into this tale. The fact that Hee, Cho and Sam will return to continue their adventures is the icing on the cake.
Thanks for a great series to look forward to!
Hrist
And thank you for your kind
And thank you for your kind comments Hrist. Research is one of the pleasures I take when writing stories. I learn so much.
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Oo
Loved this story! Please write a follow-up :)
More to come after the
More to come after the Center, Dwi. Thank you!
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I consider...
The reason it worked was at least partly because of Sam-Li's feelings for Cho-Ri. Woven into the tattoo, they attracted the Goddess' attention.
It is a lovely story, but I do need to ask. She was not supposed to speak outside the warded room. However, after she escorted the Elder to his chambers... There were two phrases attributed to Cho. Was it just a vocal interpretation of her non-verbal conversation? Or was it something else?
Faraway
Big Closet Top Shelf
Where you can fool around like you want to and most you get is some bemused good ribbing!
Faraway
Big Closet Top Shelf
Where you can fool around like you want to and most you get is some bemused good ribbing!
Predestined Mistakes
I had hoped this would go unnoticed, but I should know better. My readers are very observant. Everyone knows I like to leave clues in my stories about future stories. You aren't the first to notice this.
I noticed the mistake on the first draft, but I needed a way for Cho to become involved with trouble, so I left it in the final. So, yes, she did speak in Elder Ho's chambers and beyond the protections of the temples the Yantra will not be as effective to ward away evil.
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Aha!
Mistake is not a mistake when it perfectly suits the plot. It becomes a stroke of innate genius, strand of intuition and... Anyway, I need to ask... again. Apart from the obvious, what has changed and why would Cho need this protection in the first place? It's not like every single person asks to be granted a Yantra.
Faraway
Big Closet Top Shelf
Where you can fool around like you want to and most you get is some bemused good ribbing!
Faraway
Big Closet Top Shelf
Where you can fool around like you want to and most you get is some bemused good ribbing!
It was initially given to
It was initially given to her since it was tradition in Uncle's family and Cho was almost a part of the family. What has changed? Not tellin, but I will say that Chang-Ngo's gift was given for a reason, and it wasn't to make Cho happy.
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Wow too
I am looking forward to the rest of this story. I live in Korea in 1979 and part of 1980. I was able to meet and to some extend work with some of the Koreans they are a very interesting people and it is a very enchanting country.
love needs to be unconditional
love needs to be unconditional
There are so many well
There are so many well traveled people here. It is encouraging that one day I might be able do so myself. I'm happy that you have a point of reference to enjoy the story more!
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Beautiful Story
I love this story. It's truly a thing of beauty.
As I read it, I almost felt like I could grasp some deep truth that has teased me my whole life. That truth has danced just out of reach except during those rare moments when I've attained a slightly altered state of consciousness.
For a couple decades now, my personal motto has been, "Balance in all things." Is that Tao? I've been trying to balance the male and female in me. I've been trying so hard. It seems impossible some days, and I want to scream. I just want to give up. Then I read a story like this, and I keep going.
Thanks very much.
- Terry
Thank you for your kind
Thank you for your kind comments Terry.
From what I have read about Tao. If you think you understand it, then you don't understand it. It's not so much 'balance in all things', but accepting that there are opposites in all things and trying to balance your life in between. I know it sounds like the same thing, but there is a slight difference.
The Yang is the male and the Yin the female aspect. The balance is being male and all that it means, but living the female aspect of life, in practice. So, transgender people have the best advantage in being Tao, in my mind. They live or have lived in both worlds.
It's a very interesting philosophy. It has strengthening aspects that I appreciate, much like patience and yielding strength (water). And the acceptance that thing are the way they are. There is little you can do about it, so accept it and move on. (Death and Dying for instance.) Do not let it cripple you with grief.
Here I am sounding all Tao and stuff. I'm not really. I'm actually quite aggressive, just look at my other stories.
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Resolve
The thing that's been so frustrating to me about being transgender is that I believe there are ways to improve my situation but I'm not sure what they are. I can't decide, or I can't find them, or I can't afford them. I feel like I'm in a maze. There's an exit -- a solution -- but I'm having trouble finding it. I'll just have to keep taking left turns. Eventually I'll find that exit, if I have enough time. Right? *sigh*
Thanks again, Lili.
- Terry
There are ways to improve
There are ways to improve your situation. I think Tao would be to accept where you are at, improve on it when opportunity presents itself, and then accept where you are at again. Become who you are, but do not dwell on not achieving your heart's desire. It will come when it was meant to come.
But I cold be full of it, too.
Taoist were also obsessed with finding eternal life as well, but settled on breathing and martial arts to improve their body+mind (they are one and the same with Taoism. Western duality is not in their belief: oneness and all) to the point of extending their life.
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Superb!
To say more would be redundant.
Thank you, Ricky.
Thank you, Ricky.
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Hmmm.
I was wondering if the pic was Lee Hyori. Her face looks weird in that pic however.
How much do you know about Korean in general? You taking a class too Lilith?
Annyounghi kaseyo!
It is Lee Hyori! as noted in
It is Lee Hyori! as noted in the pic credits. That's where I got the name: Cho-Ri is her nickname. She's had plastic surgery. Her face isn't as round as it used to be.
How much do I know about Korea? Just what I've read off the web. I can say that I have mixed a few Thai, Vietnamese, and Chinese things in here also, so if something pops up at you and screams, 'Hey that's not Korean!' that's why. I just liked it for some reason, plus Lee is hot, and she's Korean.
No classes for me!
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This story is so soothing
Normally I'm excited, hyped, or occasionally aroused by some of Lilith's stories. This one just leaves me with a sense of complete serenity. I really appreciated the spirituality of this tale. Very refreshing. Like a warm shower for the mind. The title is very appropriate.
Many thanks :-)
-Christelle
"Fun-loving geek-chick looking for someone who doesn't give a damn about her past"
-Christelle
"Fun-loving geek-chick who's addicted to sunlight!"
Interesting: Model's Facial Surgery
Lee Hyori looks very nice. I thought that she was only half east asian, when I first saw her pic in your story, Lili. I also got, from her appearance, that she was the protagonist, even tho Cho-ri didn't look like that at the beginning. Very good selection.
Tao, the watercouse way. Sort of leads towards Tao te Ching, the Book, probably goofed the spelling. I think it's pronounced Dao de Jing. what ever, I'm tired. I like the Tao. Thanks for the story.
Hugs and Bright Blessings,
Renee
Ready for work, 1992.
Hugs and Bright Blessings,
Renee
So very satisfying
One of your best, Lilith, if for no other reason than the superb way that Cho-Ri deals with life. Whenever I find myself discontent with life I realize that I have strayed from my own path, which is to follow the tenets of AA. It saved me years ago from a bitter life that was rapidly descending into self-absorbed cynicism and despair. Our steps and traditions may not sound especially Taoist, but the similarities are there. The river flows and those of us who survive are most definitely water!
Thank you for this beautiful story.
SuZie
SuZie
Lovely
Very in Dept story to the spoint that it slowly draws you in. I've started reading this story and lost total track of time. That's whati call a great story. thang you very mutch for sharing this GEM.
Sweet dreams.
Akiko Mye KAto
digital divination
I went to an online I Ching generator (I figured that there much be such a thing, & sure enough there was...) to help me review this fine story. Part of what it said was:
This time resembles that of the marriage of heaven and earth, when the earth partakes of the creative power of heaven, forming and bringing forth living beings...
~~~hugs, laika
for the axe had convinced them that because his handle
was made of wood he was one of them.
Awesome!
Excellent characters, an original storyline, a very nice read.
I kind of would have liked a bit more of a build up before the end, with more on Cho's changes physically and spiritually, but really, great stuff
Thanks for posting!
This is a very beautiful chapter.
I have read stories where it was an act of an asian goddess to bestow on a worthy person the blessings of peace, beauty, and as an end result fortune. This is such a beautiful story, and very tender in it's emotional state. It takes talent Lilly to be able to write like with such tenderness, and you certainly have that talent. Of course if you wish to write more about Cho and Hee's adventures you can, but this first chapter is complete in itself showing the ying and the yang of existence in a pure body blessed by the powerful goddess Chan Ngo. That is what I understand the Tao to be. You have done it again Lilly, and thank you somuch for sharing this endearing and tender story.
"With confidence and forbearance, we will have the strength to move forward."
Love & hugs,
Barbara
"If I have to be this girl in me, Then I have the right to be."
"With confidence and forbearance, we will have the strength to move forward."
Love & hugs,
Barbara
"If I have to be this girl in me, Then I have the right to be."
Ohhh, this one has numbers on it!
Win! Seriously, another excellent start to an assumedly good story. This is a much more flattering concept and picture than the one pictured on your blog. Further, although justified with the zappie and nature of the change, it's interesting to see that Cho is a lot more…traditionally feminine than some of your other protagonists. Not that I have any problem with ball-busting badassesses (alliteration!), mind you, but it shows emotional depth and range.
On the other hand, zappie + magic, especially mental changes is one of my squick buttons. If I correctly guess where you're taking this, it's plot-justified, but, still. On the other hand, it works, and Cho seems happy enough, I guess.
I'd love a perspective piece, however, showing Hee's take on this whole thing.
I Am Like Water
A very sweet story
May Your Light Forever Shine
May Your Light Forever Shine
Still Amazing
I read this when it was posted and then again last year. As I sat at home thinking of something to do this wonderful tale popped into my head and finally I am commenting on it.
A truly amazing tale with imagination and imagery. The communication without speaking and the acceptance of that which is in such a calm fashion is stunning.
Now on to part two and more enjoyable reading.
As always,
Dru
As always,
Dru
Little surprises
Thank you for commenting on this long posted story, Dru. Some people ask if authors read their own stories. When I started writing, it was to produce something that I wanted to read myself, and that still holds true to this day. So whenever I feel the need to slow down and appreciate life and the little wonders they can surprise us with, I come back to Cho-Ri and give it another read.
There are some of my stories I go back and reopen and say to myself. "Guh, I can't believe you released this. It sucks and it's badly edited. What were you thinking?"
I Am Like Water is not one of them.
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Another reader!
I saw this when it first came out, but for some reason didn't get around to reading it. Courtesy of your comment, I now have :)
I can't really add much to what everyone else has said apart from I enjoyed it, look forward to reading the second tale, and any more that Lilith's muse may direct her to write in future :)
There are 10 kinds of people in the world - those who understand binary and those who don't...
As the right side of the brain controls the left side of the body, then only left-handers are in their right mind!
thankyou
Having just read a few of the The Center chapters I saw this and read this with anticipation and wonder. Thank you for your insight into other cultures and such . This was a remarkable story a great start to Cho-Ri and her adventures. I hope you continue doing a lot more than what you have already done. Again a great read on a quiet afternoon alone.