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I liked the return to the
I liked the return to the island. Great story.
I think along with the tampons and pads there should be contraceptive pills and some condoms. Condoms are useful for carrying water.
maybe the pills are mislabeled or mistaken for vitamins. Maybe a sewing kit too.cotton wool too.Something like Advil or paracetamol.
cuticle cutter and something to trim finger and toenails.
The island.
The fruit and animals on the island do make it seem man-made.
Apples as know could not grow in that heat. I would have expected to find more tropical fruit like mangos, bananas, passion fruit, lychee, durian, pineapple, pomegranate, coconut, citrus, guava, Jackfruit, Cashews, etc
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Cannabis could grow well there maybe someone on the island had some plants for their own use. The cannabis resin is useful in treating tropical ulcers. if applied externally on the tropical ulcer.
The island I think is too hot for potatoes. Sweet potatoes or cassava should do better. I would expect to see sugar cane and breadfruit.
Coffee plants should grow well as should tea. Cocoa should be possible too ginger should grow well as could grapevines.
rice could grow well there but that would be a lot of work to harvest.
Spices like pepper, cinnamon, nutmeg, and chiles should grow well too.
Bamboo should grow well and is useful for making all kinds of stuff.
The lack of rats and mosquitoes means they were very careful in how they set up the place.
I would imagine there should be more birds. Parrots and sea birds maybe some fruit-eating bats like flying foxes.
I think a place like an island would need a harbour to land all the stuff they need to set the place up, maybe and airstrip too or they could have used flying boats to supply the island and to get people out for medical reasons.
I think there should be some roads too. There could be an land strip might be overgrown by now. Harbours, roads, and airstrip might be leftovers from a Japanese or American base in ww2.
The should be the remains of some comms on the island satellite dishes or radio masts. The electronics might not work due to the damp climate or just lack of power. There could be generators too but may be out of fuel. I think they would need a wind generator or dam and hydro-powered generator to supply power on the island as these would not need fuel to be brought in from outside.
There should be tools leftover like machetes or other gardening and basic farm tools. Maybe some woodworking tools or tools for construction. These may have been hidden as the people there started to go crazy. Same with any weapons like guns, bows, and arrows, etc.
A rubbish dump could have a lot of old bottles or broken tools etc.
I think they would have underground bunkers to shelter for tropical storms and as secure storage. This may be where they put stuff like kitchenware and tools etc and this might explain why they have not found much yet. Again the bunkers could be a leftover from WW2 but could be locked. If there was a base there could be heavy weapons still there like coastal defence heavy artillery, anti-aircraft guns or tanks and abandon aircraft, jeeps even buldozers now overgrown by jungle.,
Local fishermen might avoid the island due to rumours about it being cursed.
This is the kind of place in fiction that might have been a base for pirates in the past and who knows maybe even buried treasure.
Rescue
Who might find them
Maybe a yacht that has become lost?
A cruise ship looking for a shelter from a storm?
A tramp steamers?
A Navy ship looking for drug/weapons smugglers?
Modern Pirates?
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There's a lot of stuff here that I hadn't thought about to give the island a 'lived in' feel and some history. Also the kind of plants and fruits that would actually be home to this sort of island.
Do you think I could pick your brain when I eventually try to properly rewrite this story?
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I Don't Think I'd Post This...
...if you hadn't asked. And since I'm looking at plot points here and also at writing strategy, this may be twice as long and half as organized as it ought to be. Please bear with me.
I'm glad that you're at least trying to justify the four-chapter dream sequence. I consider major disruptions like that a breach of trust on the part of an author, obliging us to innocently invest our thoughts and feelings into something long and extensive that turns out not to be real in story terms.
True, the events here were consistent with a dream sequence, with everything turning out right for Jo to transition without interference. But I don't think a reader could be expected to consider that possibility, not even to reject it.
(Unless there was something subtle there that I didn't catch, in which case it's my problem. But since we'd never been to their hometown or met their families, we weren't placed in a position where we could find inconsistencies there, short of Jo having told us something -- that he's an only child, perhaps, or that he only has one parent living with him -- that the dream section then contradicted. Even then, the nature of sites like this one would make it more likely that we'd think it was an author glitch than a plot point, and alert the author either privately or publicly.)
The other important problem with stories continuing after lengthy dream sequences is that we can no longer trust the author as to whether or not what we're seeing now is real. (Even more so when the narrator/lead character tends to black out pretty regularly.) I don't believe we have any way of knowing whether or when you're going to pull the rug out on us again.
And here, when we're being told the island induces hallucinations as well as real-seeming dreams, how can Jo be a trustworthy narrator?
Consider how we got here. From a high vantage point, Mikey pointed out something in the sky; Jo looked and saw a major flare and a ship. Mikey tells her afterward that they headed back to the cave at full speed to relay the news, with Mikey in the lead; Jo fell, got injured and blacked out. If that story's true, we don't know whether Mikey saw the same thing in the sky that Jo did, but whatever he saw -- and he saw it first -- was enough to justify ending a make-out session and speeding down the hill as quickly as possible. That strongly suggests that he saw something, at least in the sky, that the group would need to react to right away, even while trying to save Jo. (An alternative, I suppose, is that Mikey saw something lethal up there -- a velociraptor, a WWII Japanese fighter plane or a drone with a bomb, or something comparable -- that made him conclude that fleeing for their lives was their best choice, and somehow it wasn't a threat that the group would have to deal with after they left the overlook.)
Another alternative is that it was Mikey -- as an willing or unwilling enemy agent, whatever the enemy might be -- who distracted Jo, knocked her unconscious (or got a confederate, possibly someone we hadn't met, to do that; we now know that there were at least two others on the island) and made up everything else. We have only his word on the accident, or even that they were running to the cave with important information. (And Jo's, as to what the thinks she saw.)
A motive for any of this is hard to come by whether or not the incident was real. Isolating the pair from the rest of the group? Nothing seems to have happened while they were gone that would indicate that their adversary would want to do that. (Although, of course, since they traffic in illusion, we can't know that.) Was there something at the overlook that their adversary didn't want them to see, and for some reason couldn't use the illusion power to make it invisible to them? , I guess that'd be possible, but if so, why let them (or induce them to) start a romantic interlude and then interrupt it?
If one accepts that the enemy can change anything at all -- reactions, opinions, personalities -- then there's nothing we can rely on: Mikey could forget why they were running, or the coach could say that he doesn't trust the potential rescuers and wants the group to hide until they leave the area, or there could be any number of totally illogical developments that nobody in the group would notice or at least say anything about. IMO that's a terrible thing for an author to set up; it essentially defeats or fundamentally distorts the whole point of the narrative without letting the readers know, assuming the narrator is one of those affected. (It can be done -- the narrator starts throwing in non-sequiturs like enemy emplacements or upcoming pitched battles against an opposing army that didn't exist before then -- but I think it's not optimal and it's certainly distrscting.)
Getting back to dream sequences in general, the classic "aha!" full-length dream stories, Alice and the film version of Wizard of Oz, both end the story with the reveal, with just a brief coda after that. The dream settings, Wonderland and Oz respectively, are surreal anyway. Even the two long stories I know of in that category that are or were on this site -- to make it less of a spoiler, I'll just say that one happens to Kaleigh Way's Marcie and one to Maddy Bell's Nena, and that most of their stories are not dreams -- end that way. IMO that's not a good thing: the author has disrespected her readers' goodwill by having them look for a resolution that never arrives.
But doing it after a detailed, "realistic" four chapters and then continuing the story puts an author at risk in that it can make readers disengage. Even if they continue reading -- right now I plan to -- they can't or at least won't (IMO) treat the story quite the way they did before.
I hasten to point out that this analysis doesn't focus on the story's many good points. They're certainly appreciated: solid writing, good action, good proofing, character development that in most cases is solid and substantial enough that adversary-induced major shifts will be recognizable.
Eric
I've got nothing to say on
I've got nothing to say on the point of the reader seeing the story differently than before. The point of the lengthy dream chapters was to put the readers in the same boat the group is in. What is real? It was meant to mimic the power of the island in a way that a reader could be affected. Admittedly, I didn't think about the reader distrusting Jo's account but it's something that came up as I formed the last few chapters and something that's certainly important.
I thought I'd said that what Mikey saw was a menacing storm gathering. They would have needed to prepare for it depending on how bad the storm was. I'll have to go back and make sure that was clear.
In my head, Ben was in his own head. I'm sure we can appreciate that there's a lot for him to be thinking about. That's his friend right there thrashing about irrationally. That could be him. Was that him? Was he actually going crazy too? I thought the move to not react and simply leave was logical. I wonder if readers see it differently. I just have to focus on what makes sense to me for now.
There's a lot of stuff here and I'm so glad you took the time to write it. I want this story to be the best it can be and with inputs like these, I feel I can do that.
Separate Point: Tommy
I'm having trouble figuring out Tommy's failure to respond to Ben at the end. If he's not an illusion in that final scene, one would think he'd at least deny that he tied up Ben. If he's seeing something different from everyone else - possible, under the terms of the story -- I'm not coming up with anything that could make him think that he actually did tie Ben up.
Eric
interesting
This story kind of reminds me of a book called 'The Island of Dr. Moreau'.
Miyata312
'Do or Do Not, There is no Try' - Yoda
so that explains his dream of home
yikes!